Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Sorry not sorry. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. What a contrived case! Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? (Ross Township Police Department). Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Look into it. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Incriminating words. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. DNA also doesnt lie. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. Had there been a switch? I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Everyone lies. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Patricia Wright I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow. I have never seen anything this egregious., Requests for Proposals and Qualifications, Families to Amend California's Three Strikes (FACTS), life without possibility of parole (LWOP), National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), What California should do with people convicted of violent felonies, The Folsom 6 who stood up for Yogi are vindicated. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. I do. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. It seems so, according to you. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. But none of those charges ever stuck. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Flaw in reasoning. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. We've received your submission. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. Patricia is a evil monster. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. She hadn't lived long enough.". This article is little more than fiction. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Dial-a-problem. I think shes guilty for sure. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. If the answer is no, enough said! And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. You seem to have a fragile ego. He was happy. One on one? Ms. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Especially mice! Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Not everything is a conspiracy. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Cop defends accused. Just saying. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. Justice is about uncovering the truth. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. So, lets take your response one step at a time. Yeah, no. This woman killed and is where she belongs! False. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Trash-talking ex. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. You took my family all in one night," she said. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Theres speculation and theres lies period. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Prosecutor pounds away. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Its totally irrelevant. Wow. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. Unbloody vehicle. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. More hairs there. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. I very much doubt you are. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. And she will have to answer eventually. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Search is on. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. Why not question some of this evidence? The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. Have a tip we should know? Although I would have liked it to be death! At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Emailus. Kidnapped and killed? That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. . Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. And I have absolutely no sympathy. It's been a long three years for them.". If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. Stable situation. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). Phone records dont lie.) I dont think so. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Your email address will not be published. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). Media galore. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. You know whats interesting? Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Beautifully said Cliff! She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial.

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